1 00:00:11,860 --> 00:00:09,120 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:13,940 --> 00:00:11,870 from Australia for science and reason 3 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:13,950 [Music] 4 00:00:23,070 --> 00:00:16,850 [Applause] 5 00:00:25,510 --> 00:00:23,080 [Music] 6 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:25,520 yes it's the skeptic zone podcast 7 00:00:31,269 --> 00:00:29,290 episode number 613 and not unlucky 8 00:00:33,310 --> 00:00:31,279 richardsaunders coming to you from 9 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:33,320 Sydney Australia although in the last 10 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:35,450 couple of days I've been in Newcastle 11 00:00:39,940 --> 00:00:37,610 which is a little bit up the coast 12 00:00:43,660 --> 00:00:39,950 visiting my friend and report a maenad 13 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:43,670 and I helped produce one of his live mad 14 00:00:48,310 --> 00:00:46,010 clubs he's one man mad club in this case 15 00:00:50,890 --> 00:00:48,320 it was a two-man mad Club Maynard was 16 00:00:54,310 --> 00:00:50,900 the star of the show for more on that 17 00:00:56,860 --> 00:00:54,320 and to see their bizarre wacky crazy 18 00:01:00,540 --> 00:00:56,870 show that may not put together head to 19 00:01:02,439 --> 00:01:00,550 manor calm dot a you and those who sword 20 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:02,449 know what I mean 21 00:01:07,330 --> 00:01:05,930 but coming up on this week's show we're 22 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:07,340 gonna kick off with our reporter 23 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:08,930 Michelle Franklin in the Northern 24 00:01:15,570 --> 00:01:12,770 Territory and the topic dear to my heart 25 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:15,580 water divining and water dowsing and 26 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:17,930 Michelle sort of has a bit of a rant 27 00:01:24,819 --> 00:01:21,890 about the problems she faces in that 28 00:01:27,730 --> 00:01:24,829 part of the country having to dig down 29 00:01:30,130 --> 00:01:27,740 to find water and she poses a very 30 00:01:33,219 --> 00:01:30,140 interesting question she wonders as 31 00:01:36,639 --> 00:01:33,229 you'll hear if it's time for the 32 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:36,649 skeptics to have another major water 33 00:01:41,889 --> 00:01:39,770 divining test what do you think anyway 34 00:01:45,190 --> 00:01:41,899 coming up at the top of the show life is 35 00:01:47,099 --> 00:01:45,200 wild with Michelle Franklin following 36 00:01:49,690 --> 00:01:47,109 that it's Michelle big asthma this time 37 00:01:52,179 --> 00:01:49,700 Michelle's gonna be talking about face 38 00:01:55,359 --> 00:01:52,189 masks in the city where she's living 39 00:01:57,069 --> 00:01:55,369 Melbourne because Melbourne much of 40 00:02:00,749 --> 00:01:57,079 Melbourne has gone back into lockdown 41 00:02:05,050 --> 00:02:00,759 for six weeks because of the very 42 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:05,060 troubling surge of coronavirus I don't 43 00:02:10,630 --> 00:02:06,530 know if they're calling this the second 44 00:02:12,670 --> 00:02:10,640 wave or if it's just a resurgence of the 45 00:02:14,740 --> 00:02:12,680 first wave or a bump or I don't know 46 00:02:16,900 --> 00:02:14,750 what it is but a lot of people in 47 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:16,910 Melbourne are very worried of course but 48 00:02:22,180 --> 00:02:19,130 Michelle's gonna be talking about masks 49 00:02:25,809 --> 00:02:22,190 and she is now sporting a very 50 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:25,819 fashionable mask herself find out more 51 00:02:30,790 --> 00:02:27,890 with Michelle because mark coming up a 52 00:02:32,670 --> 00:02:30,800 bit later on then we have some lunatic 53 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:32,680 flying in a plane 54 00:02:36,940 --> 00:02:34,610 wondering about the shape of the earth 55 00:02:38,949 --> 00:02:36,950 hmm we'll get to that a bit later I'm 56 00:02:41,619 --> 00:02:38,959 not sure that's all about and then we 57 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:41,629 have the Kaz files with dr. Cassandra 58 00:02:44,740 --> 00:02:42,170 Perryman 59 00:02:46,899 --> 00:02:44,750 and this is a very this is quite a 60 00:02:49,330 --> 00:02:46,909 departure on the sceptic zone normally 61 00:02:51,250 --> 00:02:49,340 we don't have very political things at 62 00:02:55,270 --> 00:02:51,260 all we sort of stick to science reason 63 00:02:57,190 --> 00:02:55,280 and whatever but you know what in this 64 00:02:58,960 --> 00:02:57,200 case I'm willing to make an exception 65 00:03:02,039 --> 00:02:58,970 for dr. Kara's I think she makes some 66 00:03:06,210 --> 00:03:02,049 very good points about the current 67 00:03:08,710 --> 00:03:06,220 administration in the United States and 68 00:03:11,740 --> 00:03:08,720 well I wonder what you think of this 69 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:11,750 this report it's quite eye-opening and I 70 00:03:17,199 --> 00:03:14,530 learned a lot that's the case files and 71 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:17,209 Michelle because Maher returns with her 72 00:03:22,539 --> 00:03:19,970 regular logical fallacies this week 73 00:03:25,539 --> 00:03:22,549 Michelle looks at the fallacy of to 74 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:25,549 quote way which is also known as the 75 00:03:32,229 --> 00:03:28,730 appeal to hypocrisy or also known as 76 00:03:34,569 --> 00:03:32,239 look who's talking very popular segment 77 00:03:35,409 --> 00:03:34,579 that's logical fallacies with Michelle 78 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:35,419 Vickers MA 79 00:03:40,509 --> 00:03:38,090 then the ran off the show it's the book 80 00:03:42,250 --> 00:03:40,519 of Tim with Tim Mendham once more 81 00:03:44,979 --> 00:03:42,260 looking into the pages of the skeptic 82 00:03:48,009 --> 00:03:44,989 magazine with the what goes round 83 00:03:52,390 --> 00:03:48,019 section but now it's time for me to run 84 00:03:58,869 --> 00:03:52,400 downstairs and enjoy 85 00:04:02,350 --> 00:03:58,879 a nice hot buttered crumpet with a 86 00:04:06,910 --> 00:04:02,360 little bit of yes yes yes of course 87 00:04:11,530 --> 00:04:06,920 a Vegemite Eva that door um maybe some 88 00:04:14,410 --> 00:04:11,540 honey I quite like honey hmm 89 00:04:15,510 --> 00:04:14,420 all I do that I hope you enjoy the 90 00:04:37,350 --> 00:04:15,520 skeptic zone 91 00:04:52,810 --> 00:04:37,360 [Music] 92 00:04:55,510 --> 00:04:52,820 life is wild with Michelle Franklin hi 93 00:04:58,150 --> 00:04:55,520 this is Michelle Franklin reporting from 94 00:05:00,580 --> 00:04:58,160 the Northern Territory I don't have any 95 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:00,590 wildlife stories to talk about today but 96 00:05:04,210 --> 00:05:02,450 I'm feeling pretty frustrated and I 97 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:04,220 think I need to take a leaf out of dr. 98 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:08,010 Pauly's playbook and have a random rant 99 00:05:17,959 --> 00:05:16,339 where I live there's no access to town 100 00:05:20,629 --> 00:05:17,969 water so we have to be self-sufficient 101 00:05:22,549 --> 00:05:20,639 in that regard it's usually pretty 102 00:05:24,589 --> 00:05:22,559 simple you pay somebody they drill your 103 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:24,599 bore and you're set for about thirty 104 00:05:32,329 --> 00:05:25,610 years 105 00:05:33,829 --> 00:05:32,339 old and I'm considering my options there 106 00:05:36,499 --> 00:05:33,839 are lots of problems associated with 107 00:05:38,659 --> 00:05:36,509 bore water one being that the population 108 00:05:41,089 --> 00:05:38,669 around me is growing there are lots of 109 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:41,099 people and lots of businesses sinking 110 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:43,289 new bores every day which means that 111 00:05:47,689 --> 00:05:44,849 it's getting harder and harder to get 112 00:05:49,669 --> 00:05:47,699 reliable water also climate change is 113 00:05:51,889 --> 00:05:49,679 increasing the likelihood of poor rain 114 00:05:55,399 --> 00:05:51,899 years which also impacts on water 115 00:05:57,259 --> 00:05:55,409 reliability my ball is on its last legs 116 00:06:00,290 --> 00:05:57,269 and I need to make a decision about a 117 00:06:02,299 --> 00:06:00,300 new one but when I'm making an 118 00:06:05,329 --> 00:06:02,309 investment this size I don't want to 119 00:06:07,790 --> 00:06:05,339 make the wrong choice there are plenty 120 00:06:09,469 --> 00:06:07,800 of experts around and actually having 121 00:06:12,109 --> 00:06:09,479 the board drilled is a simple process 122 00:06:15,290 --> 00:06:12,119 but choosing the location is a lot less 123 00:06:17,959 --> 00:06:15,300 simple besides looking up aquifers in my 124 00:06:21,829 --> 00:06:17,969 local area I have no idea how to choose 125 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:21,839 a spot I'm lucky enough to have found a 126 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:23,610 driller who doesn't believe in magic so 127 00:06:26,779 --> 00:06:25,050 at least I can have a sensible 128 00:06:30,109 --> 00:06:26,789 conversation with him about the pros and 129 00:06:31,909 --> 00:06:30,119 cons of drilling at the original site it 130 00:06:34,850 --> 00:06:31,919 seems the most obvious choice to put the 131 00:06:36,379 --> 00:06:34,860 new Boris I'd the old one I know that 132 00:06:39,019 --> 00:06:36,389 one worked for a long time so it's 133 00:06:41,029 --> 00:06:39,029 probably not a bad spot and I already 134 00:06:43,009 --> 00:06:41,039 have all the electricity and pipelines 135 00:06:44,659 --> 00:06:43,019 running to that location so it would be 136 00:06:49,129 --> 00:06:44,669 a lot cheaper than laying new 137 00:06:51,529 --> 00:06:49,139 underground lines to the new spot but if 138 00:06:53,779 --> 00:06:51,539 I want to try a new location the driller 139 00:06:55,730 --> 00:06:53,789 isn't going to help me with that his job 140 00:06:57,679 --> 00:06:55,740 is to dig hidden he doesn't want the 141 00:07:00,949 --> 00:06:57,689 responsibility of choosing where that is 142 00:07:02,959 --> 00:07:00,959 I know my best option is to look up 143 00:07:06,259 --> 00:07:02,969 aquifer locations and look at the height 144 00:07:08,629 --> 00:07:06,269 and position of my neighboring bores but 145 00:07:10,579 --> 00:07:08,639 ultimately it's up to me to choose a 146 00:07:13,730 --> 00:07:10,589 spot and hope for the best 147 00:07:15,859 --> 00:07:13,740 I know there are bigger problems in the 148 00:07:18,379 --> 00:07:15,869 world right now than where to dig a hole 149 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:18,389 but I'm finding it extremely frustrating 150 00:07:22,339 --> 00:07:20,610 but I can't just bring it up in casual 151 00:07:25,189 --> 00:07:22,349 conversation with friends and neighbors 152 00:07:25,610 --> 00:07:25,199 just say hey I have this problem 153 00:07:27,830 --> 00:07:25,620 what are 154 00:07:30,620 --> 00:07:27,840 I reckon I should do because seriously 155 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:30,630 every time I do no matter who it is the 156 00:07:36,020 --> 00:07:32,850 person knows someone who could dine for 157 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:36,030 me I've heard all the stories my dad 158 00:07:40,370 --> 00:07:38,370 taught me how it's really easy you just 159 00:07:43,820 --> 00:07:40,380 think the word water and the wires move 160 00:07:46,430 --> 00:07:43,830 as you cross really that's amazing 161 00:07:48,700 --> 00:07:46,440 did you test it on areas where you can 162 00:07:54,740 --> 00:07:48,710 check to see if there's water or not 163 00:07:57,050 --> 00:07:54,750 no why not my neighbor used this guy I 164 00:07:59,810 --> 00:07:57,060 could get to his number if you want he 165 00:08:03,080 --> 00:07:59,820 just used two wires and hit water at 60 166 00:08:04,490 --> 00:08:03,090 meters seriously in Howard Springs you 167 00:08:07,550 --> 00:08:04,500 hit water in a town called Howard 168 00:08:09,830 --> 00:08:07,560 Springs or fancy that what are the odds 169 00:08:12,980 --> 00:08:09,840 it must have been the magic guy who took 170 00:08:15,740 --> 00:08:12,990 your neighbor's money hey well my dad 171 00:08:18,980 --> 00:08:15,750 can do it he gets water every time he's 172 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:18,990 been doing it for 50 years really do you 173 00:08:23,779 --> 00:08:20,130 think he could do it under test 174 00:08:26,330 --> 00:08:23,789 conditions yeah does he want $100,000 no 175 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:26,340 oh because he can't be bothered getting 176 00:08:31,940 --> 00:08:29,330 tested okay that makes total sense 177 00:08:34,459 --> 00:08:31,950 honestly this is the easiest form of 178 00:08:36,740 --> 00:08:34,469 confirmation bias I can think of because 179 00:08:38,630 --> 00:08:36,750 all you have to do is keep digging and 180 00:08:42,409 --> 00:08:38,640 eventually you're gonna hit an aquifer 181 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:42,419 and at $200 per meter for drilling and 182 00:08:47,990 --> 00:08:45,330 capping why would you want to check 183 00:08:50,150 --> 00:08:48,000 let's just start digging and whatever 184 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:50,160 happens you're right plus I get to pay 185 00:08:53,260 --> 00:08:52,050 you for the honor of not helping me at 186 00:08:56,030 --> 00:08:53,270 all 187 00:08:57,470 --> 00:08:56,040 every time I bring this up and someone 188 00:08:59,540 --> 00:08:57,480 offers to hook me up with their 189 00:09:02,720 --> 00:08:59,550 neighbors mates dad who can divine for 190 00:09:05,180 --> 00:09:02,730 me I've told them about that time way 191 00:09:07,100 --> 00:09:05,190 back before I was even born when James 192 00:09:08,690 --> 00:09:07,110 Randi and Dick Smith and the first few 193 00:09:10,910 --> 00:09:08,700 members of the Australian skeptics 194 00:09:13,310 --> 00:09:10,920 offered $50,000 to anyone who could 195 00:09:14,990 --> 00:09:13,320 divine for water for real and they 196 00:09:18,410 --> 00:09:15,000 always seemed surprised to hear that no 197 00:09:20,210 --> 00:09:18,420 one was able to do it this is what 198 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:20,220 really bothers me they're not stupid 199 00:09:24,500 --> 00:09:22,890 people these people who I talked to some 200 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:24,510 of them have science degrees and they're 201 00:09:29,540 --> 00:09:27,450 actually very intelligent but they've 202 00:09:31,820 --> 00:09:29,550 always just accepted that people who old 203 00:09:34,100 --> 00:09:31,830 sticks and think the magic word can find 204 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:34,110 water by just walking around and hoping 205 00:09:38,690 --> 00:09:37,050 for it when you explain the test to them 206 00:09:39,380 --> 00:09:38,700 they seem perfectly capable of 207 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:39,390 understanding 208 00:09:44,540 --> 00:09:42,210 scientific method of testing but until 209 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:44,550 that moment they'd never even considered 210 00:09:48,590 --> 00:09:45,930 that this was something that needed to 211 00:09:50,870 --> 00:09:48,600 be tested it's just normal to pay 212 00:09:52,490 --> 00:09:50,880 someone to conduct a magic ritual on 213 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:52,500 your property and make a financial 214 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:54,210 decision on your behalf based on the 215 00:09:58,490 --> 00:09:56,850 outcome of their magic spell I'm 216 00:10:01,580 --> 00:09:58,500 honestly thinking it might be time to 217 00:10:03,830 --> 00:10:01,590 repeat the tests I think it's been too 218 00:10:07,310 --> 00:10:03,840 long and people have forgotten that all 219 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:07,320 this is just BS maybe we need another 220 00:10:13,220 --> 00:10:09,810 public stunt like the original divining 221 00:10:14,300 --> 00:10:13,230 test from 1980 and remind people how 222 00:10:16,910 --> 00:10:14,310 ridiculous this is 223 00:10:19,070 --> 00:10:16,920 I don't know maybe I should just keep my 224 00:10:21,190 --> 00:10:19,080 mouth shut pick a spot pay the driller 225 00:10:24,230 --> 00:10:21,200 and hope for the best 226 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:24,240 I'll tell you what though I would love 227 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:25,770 to see a diviner who offers our 228 00:10:29,990 --> 00:10:27,930 money-back guarantee how great would it 229 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:30,000 be to pay someone and I'd be willing to 230 00:10:34,670 --> 00:10:32,490 pay a fair bid if someone could 231 00:10:38,810 --> 00:10:34,680 guarantee me water at 60 meters or 232 00:10:41,210 --> 00:10:38,820 higher any more than 60 and the rest of 233 00:10:42,740 --> 00:10:41,220 the drillings free but of course no 234 00:10:44,900 --> 00:10:42,750 one's going to offer that because deep 235 00:10:47,900 --> 00:10:44,910 down they all know that they're just as 236 00:10:49,730 --> 00:10:47,910 likely to be wrong as I am that's why 237 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:49,740 the driller told me to budget for 20 238 00:10:54,560 --> 00:10:51,810 grand and have a bit more saved up just 239 00:10:56,270 --> 00:10:54,570 in case it goes deeper than that he 240 00:10:58,100 --> 00:10:56,280 knows that there's no guarantees in this 241 00:10:59,440 --> 00:10:58,110 game and at least he's not trying to 242 00:11:02,360 --> 00:10:59,450 sell me false hope 243 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:02,370 anyway as per usual I don't have any 244 00:11:06,020 --> 00:11:04,290 solutions I'm just using this 245 00:11:08,450 --> 00:11:06,030 sympathetic audience to vent my 246 00:11:10,340 --> 00:11:08,460 frustration in a safe space where I know 247 00:11:12,860 --> 00:11:10,350 that at least in the skeptic community 248 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:12,870 we remember the basics of checking that 249 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:14,730 something works before you risk a 250 00:11:19,670 --> 00:11:16,850 buttload of money on it 251 00:11:21,710 --> 00:11:19,680 so for now I'm just gonna lift my pump 252 00:11:23,390 --> 00:11:21,720 up clean out the silt and hope I can get 253 00:11:24,770 --> 00:11:23,400 a few more months worth of water out of 254 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:24,780 it before the rain comes back in 255 00:11:30,050 --> 00:11:27,930 November until then all I can do is hope 256 00:11:33,900 --> 00:11:30,060 for the best and keep saving up for a 257 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:36,790 thanks for humoring me and please stay 258 00:11:53,829 --> 00:11:39,290 safe out there and wash your hands with 259 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:53,839 soap and water if you can I'm Mick West 260 00:11:57,429 --> 00:11:55,850 in my podcast tales from the rabbit hole 261 00:11:58,569 --> 00:11:57,439 I have extended conversations with 262 00:12:00,550 --> 00:11:58,579 people who've been involved in 263 00:12:02,170 --> 00:12:00,560 conspiracy culture I do this for a 264 00:12:03,429 --> 00:12:02,180 couple of reasons firstly because it's 265 00:12:05,230 --> 00:12:03,439 really interesting these people have 266 00:12:06,910 --> 00:12:05,240 great stories about how they fell down 267 00:12:08,650 --> 00:12:06,920 the conspiracy theory rabbit hole while 268 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:08,660 they did down there and what it was that 269 00:12:12,009 --> 00:12:10,490 helped them out sometimes I also talked 270 00:12:13,030 --> 00:12:12,019 to people who investigate conspiracy 271 00:12:14,619 --> 00:12:13,040 theories and they have equally 272 00:12:16,929 --> 00:12:14,629 fascinating stories from the other side 273 00:12:18,429 --> 00:12:16,939 secondly I want to understand how best 274 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:18,439 to prevent the spread of conspiracy 275 00:12:21,519 --> 00:12:19,970 theories and misinformation which is an 276 00:12:24,009 --> 00:12:21,529 increasing problem in a time when 277 00:12:25,210 --> 00:12:24,019 alternative media is exploding the best 278 00:12:27,550 --> 00:12:25,220 way to do this is to communicate 279 00:12:29,740 --> 00:12:27,560 effectively with the people involved and 280 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:29,750 the best way to do that with a nice long 281 00:12:35,950 --> 00:12:31,730 chat check it out 282 00:12:52,220 --> 00:12:35,960 tales from the rabbit hole TFG RH com 283 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:55,830 hello this is Michelle because ma you 284 00:12:59,730 --> 00:12:57,490 normally hear me on the logical 285 00:13:01,710 --> 00:12:59,740 fallacies segment and I'll be doing 286 00:13:04,860 --> 00:13:01,720 another one later on in this episode of 287 00:13:06,390 --> 00:13:04,870 the skeptics up but right now I'd like 288 00:13:14,340 --> 00:13:06,400 to talk about what's going on with 289 00:13:18,750 --> 00:13:16,830 over the last couple of weeks I've been 290 00:13:21,150 --> 00:13:18,760 impressed that locking down and 291 00:13:24,330 --> 00:13:21,160 ring-fencing suburbs that are hotspots 292 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:24,340 fork over 19 has been a really targeted 293 00:13:31,050 --> 00:13:27,010 approach that spared everyone else in 294 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:31,060 Melbourne a city of 5 million people the 295 00:13:37,140 --> 00:13:34,690 burden of lock down again the strategy 296 00:13:40,290 --> 00:13:37,150 included bringing tests to the residents 297 00:13:43,550 --> 00:13:40,300 with mobile units or directing them to 298 00:13:45,990 --> 00:13:43,560 the nearest convenient testing site and 299 00:13:49,530 --> 00:13:46,000 Department of Health and Human Services 300 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:49,540 staff were mobilized to knock on doors 301 00:13:56,550 --> 00:13:53,130 in order to encourage or in some cases 302 00:14:00,600 --> 00:13:56,560 attempt to convince people to undergo 303 00:14:04,500 --> 00:14:00,610 testing contact tracers are an essential 304 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:04,510 part of this process - and a numbered in 305 00:14:10,530 --> 00:14:07,290 the thousands in the state of Victoria 306 00:14:12,690 --> 00:14:10,540 like everyone else I was hopeful that 307 00:14:14,970 --> 00:14:12,700 this was going to be enough to keep the 308 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:14,980 spread of the novel coronavirus well 309 00:14:22,010 --> 00:14:19,810 under control however recently a sense 310 00:14:24,810 --> 00:14:22,020 of here we go again 311 00:14:27,420 --> 00:14:24,820 started to creep into my thinking a 312 00:14:30,540 --> 00:14:27,430 supply started to disappear from the 313 00:14:36,630 --> 00:14:30,550 shelves once again you'll never guess 314 00:14:39,930 --> 00:14:36,640 what it was yes toilet paper I never 315 00:14:42,660 --> 00:14:39,940 miss an episode of corona cast the ABC 316 00:14:44,910 --> 00:14:42,670 nightly 10-minute show that takes a deep 317 00:14:47,910 --> 00:14:44,920 dive into the most recent issues 318 00:14:51,060 --> 00:14:47,920 surrounding the virus and for some time 319 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:51,070 now dr. Norman Swan has been advocating 320 00:14:57,230 --> 00:14:53,770 the use of masks when social distancing 321 00:15:00,270 --> 00:14:57,240 is difficult or went out in public 322 00:15:02,670 --> 00:15:00,280 especially in indoor environments such 323 00:15:06,780 --> 00:15:02,680 as shopping malls and on public 324 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:06,790 transport I began to feel that it was 325 00:15:13,170 --> 00:15:09,610 only a matter of time before this will 326 00:15:16,590 --> 00:15:13,180 become policy and so I'm not wanting to 327 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:16,600 risk later delays in the mail I hopped 328 00:15:23,940 --> 00:15:20,770 online and started researching further 329 00:15:25,650 --> 00:15:23,950 to this grocery shopping during recent 330 00:15:28,260 --> 00:15:25,660 months has made me feel very 331 00:15:30,630 --> 00:15:28,270 uncomfortable as I have felt 332 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:30,640 that people do not adequately keep their 333 00:15:36,870 --> 00:15:34,090 distance so when I read an anecdote on 334 00:15:40,050 --> 00:15:36,880 social media about masks causing people 335 00:15:42,170 --> 00:15:40,060 to keep away I began looking for one 336 00:15:45,690 --> 00:15:42,180 that would make a statement 337 00:15:50,610 --> 00:15:45,700 no pretty or artistic patterns for me I 338 00:15:52,380 --> 00:15:50,620 went for a bold plain black I won't be 339 00:15:55,170 --> 00:15:52,390 painting my beloved black and white 340 00:16:00,120 --> 00:15:55,180 cat's face on it either as my family 341 00:16:02,430 --> 00:16:00,130 mockingly suggested my mask arrived a 342 00:16:05,790 --> 00:16:02,440 day or two before Melbourne went into 343 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:05,800 stage three lockdown despite the best 344 00:16:11,010 --> 00:16:07,930 efforts by the state government 345 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:11,020 covert 19 had spread beyond the hotspot 346 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:14,530 suburbs resulting in more significant 347 00:16:20,190 --> 00:16:17,770 numbers of new cases and was also 348 00:16:22,620 --> 00:16:20,200 creating a dangerous situation in the 349 00:16:26,130 --> 00:16:22,630 high-density living areas such as the 350 00:16:29,460 --> 00:16:26,140 housing estates in Melbourne there was a 351 00:16:32,220 --> 00:16:29,470 dramatic rise in cases and the number of 352 00:16:35,580 --> 00:16:32,230 new ones left up from double digits to 353 00:16:38,850 --> 00:16:35,590 triple digits with worse expected to 354 00:16:41,460 --> 00:16:38,860 come the chief health officer and 355 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:41,470 Premier of Victoria announced that mask 356 00:16:48,090 --> 00:16:44,530 wearing in public for all the reasons 357 00:16:51,180 --> 00:16:48,100 dr. Swann had been stating came later 358 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:51,190 the same day that I first wore my mask 359 00:16:57,990 --> 00:16:54,610 out in public that is on July 10th 360 00:16:59,730 --> 00:16:58,000 I had an optometrist appointment so I 361 00:17:01,830 --> 00:16:59,740 was able to keep this despite the 362 00:17:05,579 --> 00:17:01,840 lockdown for medical reasons 363 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:05,589 I noticed the increase in the number of 364 00:17:10,620 --> 00:17:07,690 people who work in the mall wearing 365 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:10,630 masks but did not see many members of 366 00:17:17,190 --> 00:17:14,050 the public doing so I was the only 367 00:17:19,250 --> 00:17:17,200 person wearing a cloth mask and I 368 00:17:23,690 --> 00:17:19,260 expected that people would glare or 369 00:17:26,940 --> 00:17:23,700 stare because it is quite conspicuous 370 00:17:29,790 --> 00:17:26,950 however this was not the case there were 371 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:29,800 no reactions whatsoever even from a 372 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:31,690 couple of students that I teach that I 373 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:36,850 pass by and briefly said hello to I had 374 00:17:42,710 --> 00:17:39,010 also read another anecdote on social 375 00:17:45,870 --> 00:17:42,720 media that a person who works in retail 376 00:17:48,180 --> 00:17:45,880 appreciated customers wearing masks as 377 00:17:51,090 --> 00:17:48,190 they encountered so many people in a day 378 00:17:55,890 --> 00:17:51,100 and this further built my confidence to 379 00:17:58,710 --> 00:17:55,900 proceed interestingly while sitting in 380 00:18:01,050 --> 00:17:58,720 the optometrist another customer decided 381 00:18:04,820 --> 00:18:01,060 to Don her mask while in the waiting 382 00:18:08,070 --> 00:18:04,830 room - so I wasn't alone in the end 383 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:08,080 until now the advice in Australia has 384 00:18:13,290 --> 00:18:10,290 been against wearing masks 385 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:13,300 there has been an assumption that people 386 00:18:18,180 --> 00:18:15,970 may become complacent about other more 387 00:18:21,540 --> 00:18:18,190 important measures such as hand-washing 388 00:18:25,020 --> 00:18:21,550 or maintaining 1.5 meters of distance 389 00:18:27,420 --> 00:18:25,030 and other problem with untrained lay 390 00:18:32,100 --> 00:18:27,430 persons not knowing how to use masks 391 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:32,110 correctly until now there have also been 392 00:18:38,010 --> 00:18:35,130 low rates of community transmission and 393 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:38,020 most cases have come from returning 394 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:41,770 overseas travelers so mask wearing has 395 00:18:49,140 --> 00:18:46,210 not been deemed necessary however in 396 00:18:52,890 --> 00:18:49,150 Melbourne community transmission now 397 00:18:56,070 --> 00:18:52,900 accounts for 80 percent of new covert 19 398 00:19:01,410 --> 00:18:56,080 cases and this is unprecedented in 399 00:19:04,130 --> 00:19:01,420 Australia Victoria reached a record 288 400 00:19:06,630 --> 00:19:04,140 new cases on Thursday July the 9th 401 00:19:09,510 --> 00:19:06,640 prompting a change in mask wearing 402 00:19:11,490 --> 00:19:09,520 advice to accompany the stage 3 lockdown 403 00:19:14,220 --> 00:19:11,500 that was put in place for greater 404 00:19:18,180 --> 00:19:14,230 Melbourne and one regional area earlier 405 00:19:20,730 --> 00:19:18,190 this week premier Dan Andrews has 406 00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:20,740 ordered two million reusable masks to be 407 00:19:27,210 --> 00:19:24,370 provided to the public and another 1 408 00:19:31,740 --> 00:19:27,220 million single-use masks to be given to 409 00:19:34,100 --> 00:19:31,750 those facing the highest risk first mask 410 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:34,110 wearing has not been made compulsory 411 00:19:41,930 --> 00:19:39,250 however it is being strongly urged this 412 00:19:44,850 --> 00:19:41,940 has come quite late as a World Health 413 00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:44,860 Organization changed its stance on masks 414 00:19:51,330 --> 00:19:49,360 wearing back in mid-june however it 415 00:19:52,850 --> 00:19:51,340 coincides with the development in the 416 00:19:55,409 --> 00:19:52,860 past week that the World Health 417 00:19:57,060 --> 00:19:55,419 Organization has declared 418 00:20:01,619 --> 00:19:57,070 we'll review the new evidence of 419 00:20:03,919 --> 00:20:01,629 airborne transmission of the virus it is 420 00:20:07,979 --> 00:20:03,929 still only recommendation for Victoria 421 00:20:09,810 --> 00:20:07,989 not nationwide as no other state has a 422 00:20:12,839 --> 00:20:09,820 significant level of community 423 00:20:17,099 --> 00:20:12,849 transmission and some appear to be 424 00:20:19,769 --> 00:20:17,109 covered 19 fre chief health officer dr. 425 00:20:22,589 --> 00:20:19,779 Bret Sutton released a video on Friday 426 00:20:25,139 --> 00:20:22,599 July 10th that explains everything we 427 00:20:29,129 --> 00:20:25,149 need to know about masks wearing as lay 428 00:20:31,979 --> 00:20:29,139 persons in Victoria amongst other 429 00:20:34,739 --> 00:20:31,989 matters already outlined he explains 430 00:20:37,919 --> 00:20:34,749 that either single-use surgical masks or 431 00:20:41,279 --> 00:20:37,929 cloth masks with at least three layers 432 00:20:45,479 --> 00:20:41,289 of a mix of breathable fabrics should be 433 00:20:47,969 --> 00:20:45,489 used to ensure adequate protection he 434 00:20:50,669 --> 00:20:47,979 also demonstrates how to fit and wear 435 00:20:54,329 --> 00:20:50,679 one correctly and there are instructions 436 00:20:57,599 --> 00:20:54,339 on how to make one at home he concludes 437 00:21:01,139 --> 00:20:57,609 with how to handle the mask safely after 438 00:21:05,369 --> 00:21:01,149 it has been worn the Department of Human 439 00:21:07,259 --> 00:21:05,379 Health Services provides a comprehensive 440 00:21:09,930 --> 00:21:07,269 guide to face masks 441 00:21:12,580 --> 00:21:09,940 including how to make them 442 00:21:15,340 --> 00:21:12,590 [Music] 443 00:21:18,190 --> 00:21:15,350 you can follow up all these links in 444 00:21:21,039 --> 00:21:18,200 this week's show notes and for now this 445 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:21,049 has been Michelle because ma stay safe 446 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:21,930 everyone 447 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:29,450 [Music] 448 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:34,250 we'll be using today at an altitude of 449 00:21:41,090 --> 00:21:37,770 33,000 feet cinema sit back and enjoy 450 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:41,100 the rest of your flight hello sir 451 00:21:46,580 --> 00:21:44,010 would that be tea coffee or a soft drink 452 00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:46,590 today um coffee please 453 00:21:50,480 --> 00:22:02,320 thank you 454 00:22:13,180 --> 00:22:07,130 to the captain light MIB 455 00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:13,190 one nine six five enroute to Tasmania 456 00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:18,960 dia captain as a passenger currently on 457 00:22:35,570 --> 00:22:29,400 cat6a economy I wish to point out to you 458 00:22:42,090 --> 00:22:35,580 a part particularly disconcerting aspect 459 00:22:46,860 --> 00:22:42,100 of this journey despite what I have been 460 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:46,870 told by so-called science for years as I 461 00:22:58,590 --> 00:22:52,450 gaze out my window into the distance the 462 00:23:06,350 --> 00:22:58,600 horizon appears to me to be quite flat 463 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:06,360 as hard as I try I am able to perceive 464 00:23:17,690 --> 00:23:12,610 the expected curvature of the earth are 465 00:23:22,340 --> 00:23:17,700 you aware of this unsettling situation 466 00:23:27,390 --> 00:23:22,350 have you and your copilot taken this 467 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:27,400 baffling and worrying observation into 468 00:23:41,850 --> 00:23:37,460 it could have an adverse effect on your 469 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:41,860 GPS navigation I must also advise you 470 00:23:52,220 --> 00:23:46,410 that I intend to write a letter of 471 00:23:59,780 --> 00:23:52,230 complaint to the Flat Earth orientation 472 00:24:06,090 --> 00:23:59,790 observation League of Sydney or if Oh LS 473 00:24:07,460 --> 00:24:06,100 to alert them to my discovery you have 474 00:24:16,740 --> 00:24:07,470 been warned 475 00:24:21,710 --> 00:24:16,750 yours etc etc PS I expect a refund of at 476 00:24:26,610 --> 00:24:21,720 least 30% of my ticket price as it is 477 00:24:35,249 --> 00:24:26,620 clear to me that this plane is not in 478 00:24:41,079 --> 00:24:37,450 well what would you like for lunch today 479 00:24:43,779 --> 00:24:41,089 sir we have a choice of chicken or fish 480 00:24:48,519 --> 00:24:43,789 but what's the fish the fish today is 481 00:24:50,529 --> 00:24:48,529 flathead sir right chicken please oh and 482 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:50,539 can you take this letter to the captain 483 00:24:58,029 --> 00:24:53,450 is this about the earth being flat sir 484 00:25:04,590 --> 00:24:58,039 um maybe of course sir I'll tell with it 485 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:09,780 [Music] 486 00:25:15,970 --> 00:25:12,760 the cast files 487 00:25:15,980 --> 00:25:25,990 with dr. cassandra Perryman 488 00:25:31,549 --> 00:25:29,240 hello skeptic zone listeners this is dr. 489 00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:31,559 Cassandra Perryman of the cast Isles and 490 00:25:36,620 --> 00:25:34,289 today in a departure from what you'd 491 00:25:38,510 --> 00:25:36,630 normally here on the sceptic zone we'll 492 00:25:41,690 --> 00:25:38,520 be talking about one little piece of the 493 00:25:44,810 --> 00:25:41,700 wild world known as American politics so 494 00:25:46,820 --> 00:25:44,820 how does this apply to scepticism well 495 00:25:49,460 --> 00:25:46,830 if the u.s. quickly becomes number one 496 00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:49,470 in something meaning global kovat cases 497 00:25:55,460 --> 00:25:52,320 and I'll say as of this recording we're 498 00:25:57,740 --> 00:25:55,470 at over 3 million confirmed cases and a 499 00:26:00,260 --> 00:25:57,750 hundred and thirty five thousand deaths 500 00:26:01,580 --> 00:26:00,270 confirmed to be connected to kovat so I 501 00:26:04,909 --> 00:26:01,590 think it's important to say a little 502 00:26:06,830 --> 00:26:04,919 about the party in power the US has 503 00:26:10,279 --> 00:26:06,840 always been a country of contradiction 504 00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:10,289 it was formed out of rebellion but now 505 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:12,480 views rebellion is a patriotic thing to 506 00:26:18,289 --> 00:26:15,210 do only if said rebellion upholds the 507 00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:18,299 status quo right now this theme of 508 00:26:22,340 --> 00:26:19,919 rebellion and contradiction is on 509 00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:22,350 international display so what are some 510 00:26:27,169 --> 00:26:24,240 of the most glaring contradictions 511 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:27,179 that's been the theme of the last few 512 00:26:30,110 --> 00:26:28,890 months here in the US and that's what 513 00:26:34,220 --> 00:26:30,120 I'll be talking about today on the 514 00:26:36,740 --> 00:26:34,230 skeptic zone now just for you who well 515 00:26:39,260 --> 00:26:36,750 don't recall my voice and don't exactly 516 00:26:40,340 --> 00:26:39,270 know who I am I moved back to California 517 00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:40,350 in 2016 518 00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:42,720 just before the election of our current 519 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:46,799 well president now I'm not gonna use his 520 00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:49,770 name yes I know that's immature but 521 00:26:53,180 --> 00:26:50,960 that's how I'm coping 522 00:26:55,130 --> 00:26:53,190 anyway it's amazing to see how the 523 00:26:56,810 --> 00:26:55,140 country I knew before that fateful day 524 00:26:58,669 --> 00:26:56,820 is just a bleak pale memory in 525 00:27:01,970 --> 00:26:58,679 comparison to these insanity that I'm 526 00:27:03,409 --> 00:27:01,980 seeing today to be fair this isn't the 527 00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:03,419 first time the US has gone completely 528 00:27:09,950 --> 00:27:06,000 bug nutty there were the 80s after all 529 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:09,960 that era was surreal my favorite example 530 00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:11,730 of the craziness of the 80s I had to 531 00:27:18,020 --> 00:27:14,370 climb under my desk during a nuclear 532 00:27:20,810 --> 00:27:18,030 bomb drill think about that because you 533 00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:20,820 know dusts are strong enough to a stand 534 00:27:25,220 --> 00:27:23,370 a nuclear bomb anyway I'll stay right 535 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:25,230 here and upfront that this is going to 536 00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:27,330 be an intensely political report and I'm 537 00:27:30,890 --> 00:27:28,740 not going to be nice 538 00:27:32,930 --> 00:27:30,900 to the Republican Party that's not to 539 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:32,940 say it couldn't be equally harsh to the 540 00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:35,250 Democratic Party but they're not 541 00:27:40,790 --> 00:27:37,679 currently in power and it's not the ones 542 00:27:42,260 --> 00:27:40,800 I'm deeply concerned about so what are 543 00:27:44,540 --> 00:27:42,270 the major contradictions in this 544 00:27:46,940 --> 00:27:44,550 administration first let's talk about 545 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:46,950 how the Republican Party recently rolled 546 00:27:54,500 --> 00:27:50,010 over its platform from 2016 and has 547 00:27:57,380 --> 00:27:54,510 adopted that platform through 2024 this 548 00:28:00,350 --> 00:27:57,390 means they do not have new policies or 549 00:28:03,410 --> 00:28:00,360 directions as a party they have 550 00:28:06,620 --> 00:28:03,420 recognized need to be taken in the 551 00:28:08,570 --> 00:28:06,630 preamble of their own plasma starting on 552 00:28:11,210 --> 00:28:08,580 the fourth line it reads our role as 553 00:28:13,940 --> 00:28:11,220 quote now as an exemplar of Liberty for 554 00:28:16,220 --> 00:28:13,950 the world to see and the seventh line 555 00:28:18,530 --> 00:28:16,230 says quote we affirm as did the 556 00:28:20,450 --> 00:28:18,540 Declaration of Independence that all are 557 00:28:22,580 --> 00:28:20,460 created equal endowed by their creator 558 00:28:24,500 --> 00:28:22,590 with inalienable rights of life liberty 559 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:24,510 and the pursuit of happiness 560 00:28:28,790 --> 00:28:26,970 it continues down a bit farther but 561 00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,800 still the preamble we get quote we 562 00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:30,480 believe our constitutional system 563 00:28:34,430 --> 00:28:32,880 limited government separation of powers 564 00:28:37,610 --> 00:28:34,440 federalism and the rights of the people 565 00:28:40,970 --> 00:28:37,620 must be preserved uncompromised for 566 00:28:42,590 --> 00:28:40,980 future generations finally my favorite 567 00:28:45,410 --> 00:28:42,600 part of the preamble reads quote the 568 00:28:47,060 --> 00:28:45,420 president they still mean Obama and the 569 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:47,070 Democratic Party have abandoned their 570 00:28:50,810 --> 00:28:48,570 promise of being accountable to the 571 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:50,820 American people they have nearly doubled 572 00:28:56,299 --> 00:28:53,370 the size of the national debt now I have 573 00:28:57,980 --> 00:28:56,309 only quoted from the preamble but after 574 00:28:59,570 --> 00:28:57,990 reading the entire party platform I 575 00:29:01,760 --> 00:28:59,580 think it sums up the contradictions 576 00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:01,770 perfectly if you want to read something 577 00:29:07,220 --> 00:29:03,840 that is just a pure manifesto I do 578 00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:07,230 suggest giving the platform a read now 579 00:29:11,210 --> 00:29:09,840 we can discuss dichotomies the party 580 00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:11,220 that represents a good portion of our 581 00:29:15,470 --> 00:29:13,200 nation has no new policies and predicts 582 00:29:17,150 --> 00:29:15,480 no new policies for another four years 583 00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:17,160 they're not acknowledging any of the 584 00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:18,960 current changes since I guessed or need 585 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:21,510 for progress they're not supporting coal 586 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:23,490 workers to become clean energy allies 587 00:29:27,980 --> 00:29:26,370 they are not backing reform which could 588 00:29:30,890 --> 00:29:27,990 also substantially reduce government 589 00:29:32,540 --> 00:29:30,900 spending instead they are milling in the 590 00:29:35,450 --> 00:29:32,550 past and leaving their constituents to 591 00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:35,460 know with them is an example of liberty 592 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:37,440 and upholding the ideals of life liberty 593 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:39,210 and pursuit of happiness they're falling 594 00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:41,770 a bit short the not so current 595 00:29:46,350 --> 00:29:43,600 have undue force to put it nicely by 596 00:29:48,060 --> 00:29:46,360 excusive I was scared when interacting 597 00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:48,070 with minorities it's just a small 598 00:29:50,670 --> 00:29:49,840 example of how life and liberty are not 599 00:29:52,890 --> 00:29:50,680 valued 600 00:29:54,540 --> 00:29:52,900 it is frequently conservative juries 601 00:29:56,130 --> 00:29:54,550 that let those same police officers go 602 00:29:58,650 --> 00:29:56,140 free when they kill a black person 603 00:30:00,270 --> 00:29:58,660 without any true provocation it's 604 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:00,280 Republicans it's important back the 605 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:02,050 police union which is now in the hot 606 00:30:06,930 --> 00:30:04,090 seat in the u.s. do their protecting of 607 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:06,940 those same officers one great example of 608 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:08,970 this is wisconsin Governor Scott Walker 609 00:30:15,390 --> 00:30:12,610 who in 2017 reduced the power of unions 610 00:30:18,090 --> 00:30:15,400 in his state except for police and fire 611 00:30:20,750 --> 00:30:18,100 unions as a note and as another 612 00:30:24,660 --> 00:30:20,760 dichotomy Republicans are notoriously 613 00:30:26,850 --> 00:30:24,670 anti-union equality and rights are a 614 00:30:28,020 --> 00:30:26,860 huge part part of this party platform 615 00:30:30,270 --> 00:30:28,030 but equality and rights under this 616 00:30:32,850 --> 00:30:30,280 platform or not for everyone there for 617 00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:32,860 the wealthy and the white one way this 618 00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:34,480 can clearly be seen is in our voting 619 00:30:40,770 --> 00:30:38,110 system a brief history stopped in 2013 620 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:40,780 the case of Shelby County v holder was 621 00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:43,810 heard by the Supreme Court in a 5-4 in 622 00:30:47,670 --> 00:30:45,760 this case it was a party split decision 623 00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:47,680 the Supreme Court struck down key 624 00:30:52,260 --> 00:30:49,440 portions of the Voting Rights Act of 625 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:52,270 1965 the direct result has been 626 00:30:56,820 --> 00:30:54,610 gerrymandering poll tax as an ID laws 627 00:30:58,830 --> 00:30:56,830 which as you can guess have directly 628 00:31:02,100 --> 00:30:58,840 impacted minority specifically black 629 00:31:03,870 --> 00:31:02,110 voters somewhere in late 2019 as a 630 00:31:06,300 --> 00:31:03,880 response to the surge and midterm 631 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:06,310 election turnout republican-led states 632 00:31:10,410 --> 00:31:08,050 have been instituting a whole range of 633 00:31:12,780 --> 00:31:10,420 blocks to voting one examples of 634 00:31:16,260 --> 00:31:12,790 gerrymandering in Georgia were seven 635 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:16,270 counties hired Stahl you Aussies have 636 00:31:22,020 --> 00:31:19,570 one polling place that's over 6,000 637 00:31:24,030 --> 00:31:22,030 individuals with one polling place we 638 00:31:27,060 --> 00:31:24,040 have a term for this it's called voter 639 00:31:30,180 --> 00:31:27,070 suppression let's talk about national 640 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:30,190 day I love when that talking point comes 641 00:31:35,490 --> 00:31:31,930 out first it's a metrics that is 642 00:31:38,460 --> 00:31:35,500 completely out of context right any way 643 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:38,470 you look at it I can make it good or bad 644 00:31:41,820 --> 00:31:40,450 there's debt that increases income and 645 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:41,830 there's debt that's just throwing money 646 00:31:45,540 --> 00:31:42,970 into a black hole 647 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:45,550 Democrats or for debt that increases 648 00:31:52,740 --> 00:31:48,810 income Republicans are purely anti debt 649 00:31:55,139 --> 00:31:52,750 so as the party's chief complaint that 650 00:31:59,519 --> 00:31:55,149 the Democrats specifically Obama has 651 00:32:02,190 --> 00:31:59,529 the dead out of control well yes but no 652 00:32:04,829 --> 00:32:02,200 Obama did increase the national debt by 653 00:32:07,979 --> 00:32:04,839 74 percent if we don't look at the 654 00:32:10,109 --> 00:32:07,989 programs or income generated that's 74 655 00:32:12,659 --> 00:32:10,119 increases the full culmination in debt 656 00:32:15,539 --> 00:32:12,669 over his eight years as president thus 657 00:32:18,089 --> 00:32:15,549 far not including the response and 658 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:18,099 impact to Tuco vyd the man in charge has 659 00:32:22,829 --> 00:32:19,450 increased the national debt by an 660 00:32:25,589 --> 00:32:22,839 additional 24% if we go back to the 661 00:32:27,239 --> 00:32:25,599 Republican before him george w bush the 662 00:32:29,459 --> 00:32:27,249 debt was increased by a hundred and one 663 00:32:32,909 --> 00:32:29,469 percent whereas his predecessor Clinton 664 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:32,919 a Democrat added 32% in debt when 665 00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:34,450 looking at the balance of fiscal debt 666 00:32:38,940 --> 00:32:36,399 Republicans are notorious for being the 667 00:32:41,339 --> 00:32:38,950 bigger spenders we can't forget Reagan 668 00:32:43,469 --> 00:32:41,349 whose administration led to a hundred 669 00:32:45,899 --> 00:32:43,479 and eighty six percent increase in debt 670 00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:45,909 at the end of Carter's last budget if 671 00:32:49,709 --> 00:32:47,529 you want to see a great breakdown of 672 00:32:52,709 --> 00:32:49,719 debt additions over the years fact check 673 00:32:55,099 --> 00:32:52,719 me in other words the balance calm all 674 00:32:57,690 --> 00:32:55,109 one word has done great breakdown 675 00:33:00,719 --> 00:32:57,700 another great breakdown about how that 676 00:33:02,639 --> 00:33:00,729 same fiscally conservative party has let 677 00:33:05,310 --> 00:33:02,649 their elected leader go golfing a total 678 00:33:08,729 --> 00:33:05,320 of two hundred and fifty seven times in 679 00:33:10,649 --> 00:33:08,739 the last 3.5 years for a total taxpayer 680 00:33:13,259 --> 00:33:10,659 cost of about a hundred and thirty six 681 00:33:15,479 --> 00:33:13,269 million dollars you can see a great 682 00:33:18,299 --> 00:33:15,489 breakdown of those outings on Trump golf 683 00:33:20,700 --> 00:33:18,309 count calm in the end this whole 684 00:33:22,499 --> 00:33:20,710 Democrat spend more just rhetoric to 685 00:33:24,299 --> 00:33:22,509 continue to leave business owning and 686 00:33:27,869 --> 00:33:24,309 fiscal conservative voters to lean 687 00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:27,879 towards the Republican Party speaking of 688 00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:29,769 life and liberty and being accountable 689 00:33:33,479 --> 00:33:31,809 and all those great but buzzwords I 690 00:33:35,940 --> 00:33:33,489 can't even begin to say how insane the 691 00:33:38,249 --> 00:33:35,950 response to kovat has been that's weeks 692 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:38,259 of reporting all on its own whatever you 693 00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:40,210 have heard on the news trust me it's 694 00:33:45,089 --> 00:33:42,399 even more insane than that but anyway 695 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:45,099 moving on another explanation that I 696 00:33:49,619 --> 00:33:46,690 think is passed to is why the Republican 697 00:33:52,109 --> 00:33:49,629 is so Pro military guns and police well 698 00:33:54,979 --> 00:33:52,119 in 1968 the Republican Party named 699 00:33:58,799 --> 00:33:54,989 themselves quote the Law & Order party 700 00:34:01,139 --> 00:33:58,809 hmmm what else was happening in 1968 701 00:34:02,369 --> 00:34:01,149 well Apollo 8 was orbiting the moon 702 00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:02,379 that's pretty cool 703 00:34:07,739 --> 00:34:04,960 Nixon was elected and we kind of all 704 00:34:08,460 --> 00:34:07,749 know how that went but also there was a 705 00:34:10,740 --> 00:34:08,470 fire 706 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:10,750 police response to the demonstrators at 707 00:34:15,540 --> 00:34:13,570 the Chicago Democratic convention those 708 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:15,550 demonstrators included well Black 709 00:34:20,970 --> 00:34:19,090 Panthers most importantly the 1968 is 710 00:34:23,220 --> 00:34:20,980 when Martin Luther King jr. was 711 00:34:26,190 --> 00:34:23,230 assassinated in other words white 712 00:34:27,930 --> 00:34:26,200 fragility and civil rights collided out 713 00:34:30,210 --> 00:34:27,940 of the civil rights movement we get the 714 00:34:33,149 --> 00:34:30,220 Cincinnati COO of the NRA which happened 715 00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:33,159 in 1976 and created the organization you 716 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:36,310 see today in this era the shape of 717 00:34:40,919 --> 00:34:38,530 police force has changed as a response 718 00:34:43,139 --> 00:34:40,929 to the civil rights movements if you 719 00:34:45,149 --> 00:34:43,149 like a great breakdown of the history of 720 00:34:47,609 --> 00:34:45,159 us policing I suggest listening to the 721 00:34:50,010 --> 00:34:47,619 six part series by behind the Basterds 722 00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:50,020 for a great breakdown of the reason for 723 00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:52,480 the coup and adjunct abject racism in 724 00:34:54,659 --> 00:34:52,960 the NRA 725 00:34:57,300 --> 00:34:54,669 I'd suggest listening to the more 726 00:34:58,109 --> 00:34:57,310 perfect podcast specifically their 727 00:35:02,130 --> 00:34:58,119 episode called 728 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:02,140 the gun show so to say it again behind 729 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:04,090 the bastards six-part series on policing 730 00:35:09,810 --> 00:35:07,930 and more perfect the gun show long story 731 00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:09,820 short the party is incredibly Pro guns 732 00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:11,920 military police because they are the 733 00:35:16,530 --> 00:35:13,599 only barrier between good hard-working 734 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:16,540 business owners and white people and 735 00:35:21,660 --> 00:35:18,490 those nasty poor people and people of 736 00:35:23,609 --> 00:35:21,670 color up to hurt them yes systemic 737 00:35:25,890 --> 00:35:23,619 racism is alive and well in the United 738 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:25,900 States and vehemently upheld by the 739 00:35:30,570 --> 00:35:27,970 party of Rights accountability life and 740 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:30,580 liberty as you can probably tell them a 741 00:35:34,260 --> 00:35:32,890 bit passionate on this topic I feel that 742 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:34,270 right now it's important we all are 743 00:35:38,609 --> 00:35:36,490 globally aware the leadership here is 744 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:38,619 dangerous and that affects everyone 745 00:35:43,079 --> 00:35:40,690 I've been asked quite a few times if I 746 00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:43,089 believe if you know who can get elected 747 00:35:47,550 --> 00:35:45,760 again in November unfortunately that 748 00:35:49,829 --> 00:35:47,560 reduction in voting rights I was talking 749 00:35:51,570 --> 00:35:49,839 about and the desire to kibosh mail and 750 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:51,580 voting which I didn't talk about is 751 00:35:57,810 --> 00:35:54,130 leading to a well to put it very 752 00:35:59,970 --> 00:35:57,820 charitably a stacked election I strongly 753 00:36:03,270 --> 00:35:59,980 suggest everyone watch that election and 754 00:36:05,220 --> 00:36:03,280 watch the after effects we've always had 755 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:05,230 a peaceful turnover of power here in the 756 00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:07,210 US but under the currents I guess even 757 00:36:12,010 --> 00:36:10,480 that might be tested I hope not but 758 00:36:15,090 --> 00:36:12,020 we'll see 759 00:36:19,330 --> 00:36:17,860 so from under the glorious auspices of 760 00:36:20,290 --> 00:36:19,340 safety brought by the state of 761 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:20,300 California 762 00:36:41,590 --> 00:36:40,370 this is dr. Cass signing off the reason 763 00:36:43,900 --> 00:36:41,600 was the interview show from the 764 00:36:45,250 --> 00:36:43,910 Merseyside skeptic society where each 765 00:36:47,230 --> 00:36:45,260 month I speak to someone about their 766 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:47,240 fringe beliefs over the Earth's are 767 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:49,610 spoken to psychics UFO believers moon 768 00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:51,650 landing and ayahs flat earthers Hollow 769 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:53,510 Earth as an all manner of unusual 770 00:36:57,130 --> 00:36:55,370 conspiracy theorists but I've also 771 00:36:59,500 --> 00:36:57,140 talked to aids denialists white 772 00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:59,510 supremacists gay conversion therapies 773 00:37:02,890 --> 00:37:01,040 I even interviewed Jim Humble the 774 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:02,900 inventor of miracle mineral supplement a 775 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:04,610 form of industrial bleach that he and 776 00:37:08,980 --> 00:37:06,170 his followers used to treat cancer and 777 00:37:11,110 --> 00:37:08,990 HIV this isn't a debate show my aim 778 00:37:13,420 --> 00:37:11,120 isn't to win an argument but when we 779 00:37:15,550 --> 00:37:13,430 listen to how people promote and justify 780 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:15,560 the ideas that we disagree with even the 781 00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:17,570 dangerous ones I think we become much 782 00:37:21,100 --> 00:37:19,280 more effective at countering those ideas 783 00:37:23,140 --> 00:37:21,110 if that sounds like something you'd be 784 00:37:25,150 --> 00:37:23,150 interested in look for be reasonable on 785 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:25,160 Apple podcasts and everywhere else the 786 00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:26,050 podcast alone 787 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:50,720 [Music] 788 00:37:55,420 --> 00:37:52,650 logical fallacies 789 00:37:58,910 --> 00:37:55,430 [Music] 790 00:38:00,829 --> 00:37:58,920 what are logical fallacies and why is it 791 00:38:02,930 --> 00:38:00,839 important that critical thinkers should 792 00:38:05,660 --> 00:38:02,940 know about them 793 00:38:08,690 --> 00:38:05,670 a logical fallacy is an error we can 794 00:38:10,940 --> 00:38:08,700 make in reasoning but it usually crops 795 00:38:14,690 --> 00:38:10,950 up when we are discussing or arguing our 796 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:14,700 point of view some people might even 797 00:38:18,829 --> 00:38:17,130 knowingly use them to try and score 798 00:38:22,730 --> 00:38:18,839 cheap points in an argument 799 00:38:25,309 --> 00:38:22,740 due to intellectual laziness they are 800 00:38:27,530 --> 00:38:25,319 traps we can fall into but if we know 801 00:38:29,839 --> 00:38:27,540 what to look out for we can spot them 802 00:38:36,829 --> 00:38:29,849 when they occur and stop ourselves from 803 00:38:40,670 --> 00:38:36,839 using them this time we'll look at to 804 00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:40,680 quote way also known as the appeal to 805 00:38:48,109 --> 00:38:44,400 hypocrisy or the look who's talking this 806 00:38:50,930 --> 00:38:48,119 is a type of ad hominem attack and comes 807 00:38:54,559 --> 00:38:50,940 into play when an inconsistency or 808 00:38:58,190 --> 00:38:54,569 hypocrisy from your side is used by your 809 00:39:01,339 --> 00:38:58,200 opponent to justify their position or to 810 00:39:04,819 --> 00:39:01,349 denigrate your position this fallacy 811 00:39:08,300 --> 00:39:04,829 really is a lazy and cheap way of trying 812 00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:08,310 to justify a position it could be used 813 00:39:14,349 --> 00:39:11,119 to avoid the real argument at hand 814 00:39:19,130 --> 00:39:14,359 deflecting attention to the past actions 815 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:19,140 its meeting criticism with criticism so 816 00:39:25,010 --> 00:39:22,650 what if sometimes creation scientists 817 00:39:28,970 --> 00:39:25,020 have been caught out using bad data or 818 00:39:32,770 --> 00:39:28,980 fudging research just look at mainstream 819 00:39:36,349 --> 00:39:32,780 science skulduggery goes on all the time 820 00:39:39,950 --> 00:39:36,359 no doubt about it some scientists have 821 00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:39,960 and still do fudge figures cut corners 822 00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:44,250 and even produce faulty research not 823 00:39:50,809 --> 00:39:47,280 good but it does not therefore justify 824 00:39:53,690 --> 00:39:50,819 or somehow make better the bad science 825 00:39:56,990 --> 00:39:53,700 conducted by creationists or from any 826 00:40:00,020 --> 00:39:57,000 other field of pseudoscience here in 827 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:00,030 Australia the CSIRO the Commonwealth 828 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:02,130 Scientific and Industrial Research 829 00:40:07,460 --> 00:40:05,490 Organisation once told us we shouldn't 830 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:07,470 eat eggs due to their high cholesterol 831 00:40:13,970 --> 00:40:11,130 content now they tell us eggs are fine 832 00:40:15,330 --> 00:40:13,980 to eat how can we trust them with any 833 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:15,340 science 834 00:40:23,250 --> 00:40:20,530 mind about things is really one of its 835 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:23,260 great strengths imagine if it was more 836 00:40:27,630 --> 00:40:26,290 like pseudoscience or religion that when 837 00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:27,640 in the face of new and better 838 00:40:31,620 --> 00:40:28,960 information 839 00:40:35,490 --> 00:40:31,630 it stubbornly refused to accept it was 840 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:35,500 wrong if that were the case we'd all be 841 00:40:41,460 --> 00:40:38,770 back in the 14th century why should we 842 00:40:45,090 --> 00:40:41,470 listen to the skeptics weren't they the 843 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:45,100 fools who said climate change was a hoax 844 00:40:52,410 --> 00:40:49,090 a skeptical movement and those in it can 845 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:52,420 and do change their mind while in the 846 00:40:57,540 --> 00:40:54,490 early days of the climate change issue 847 00:41:01,290 --> 00:40:57,550 some skeptics were indeed skeptical of 848 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:01,300 it these opinions were over time changed 849 00:41:07,650 --> 00:41:04,210 as more evidence was presented these 850 00:41:11,580 --> 00:41:07,660 days climate change deniers often and 851 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:11,590 incorrectly use the term skeptic to 852 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:17,410 refer to themselves all of us are 853 00:41:22,380 --> 00:41:19,810 fallible and there will be times when we 854 00:41:25,770 --> 00:41:22,390 don't act consistently or even 855 00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:25,780 rationally whether or not someone 856 00:41:31,350 --> 00:41:28,720 follows their own advice or even appears 857 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:31,360 to contradict themselves it should be 858 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:33,970 noted but don't let that distract from 859 00:41:40,820 --> 00:41:37,690 the question in hand and ultimately it 860 00:41:43,110 --> 00:41:40,830 does not justify similar action 861 00:41:45,820 --> 00:41:43,120 [Music] 862 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:45,830 knowing a logical fallacy when you hear 863 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:48,290 one and even knowing its name is 864 00:41:54,340 --> 00:41:50,690 important when arguing your point of 865 00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:54,350 view however you may come across as 866 00:41:59,770 --> 00:41:57,170 arrogant and not get very far if you 867 00:42:03,490 --> 00:41:59,780 call it out by name to your opponent 868 00:42:05,830 --> 00:42:03,500 when you hear it being used if your 869 00:42:08,620 --> 00:42:05,840 opponent calls you out for using one 870 00:42:12,220 --> 00:42:08,630 it's time to stop and think about how 871 00:42:14,530 --> 00:42:12,230 you are making your case use your 872 00:42:17,860 --> 00:42:14,540 knowledge of logical fallacies wisely 873 00:42:20,110 --> 00:42:17,870 and remember that even if your point of 874 00:42:23,380 --> 00:42:20,120 view is right and you know all the 875 00:42:26,650 --> 00:42:23,390 pitfalls in arguing your case it doesn't 876 00:42:30,070 --> 00:42:26,660 always mean you'll win on the day and a 877 00:42:35,860 --> 00:42:30,080 skeptics we must also remember that we 878 00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:35,870 too can be wrong at times I'm Michele 879 00:42:44,270 --> 00:42:38,510 because my from the Vick skeptics thanks 880 00:42:53,660 --> 00:42:51,710 I started listening to oh no Ross and 881 00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:53,670 Carrie shortly after I broke my arm and 882 00:42:56,030 --> 00:42:55,440 the doctor had told me I'd never walk 883 00:42:57,980 --> 00:42:56,040 again 884 00:43:00,620 --> 00:42:57,990 I couldn't get my book started it was 885 00:43:02,210 --> 00:43:00,630 just after my landlord died I was 886 00:43:04,940 --> 00:43:02,220 allergic to water 887 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:04,950 addicted to wheatgrass I was lost 888 00:43:10,010 --> 00:43:07,530 honestly I knew it was time to make a 889 00:43:13,460 --> 00:43:10,020 change and that's when I turned on my 890 00:43:15,319 --> 00:43:13,470 preferred podcast again 891 00:43:18,140 --> 00:43:15,329 what if all the answers I was looking 892 00:43:20,450 --> 00:43:18,150 for what if they were all right here 893 00:43:22,190 --> 00:43:20,460 there's something about oh no Raza carry 894 00:43:24,970 --> 00:43:22,200 that you just can't get anywhere else 895 00:43:27,500 --> 00:43:24,980 your thought leaders discoverers 896 00:43:30,829 --> 00:43:27,510 founders I'd call them heroes 897 00:43:32,569 --> 00:43:30,839 healers luminaries Ross and Carrie don't 898 00:43:34,130 --> 00:43:32,579 just report on for science spirituality 899 00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:34,140 and claims of a paranormal 900 00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:36,480 they take part themselves they show up 901 00:43:43,940 --> 00:43:38,880 so you don't have to but you might find 902 00:43:47,630 --> 00:43:43,950 that you want to my arm is better I can 903 00:43:50,210 --> 00:43:47,640 walk again six months no wheat grass I'm 904 00:43:50,750 --> 00:43:50,220 wrote an entire book this weekend it's 905 00:43:53,150 --> 00:43:50,760 terrible 906 00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:53,160 but I did it my landlord came back from 907 00:43:59,690 --> 00:43:56,480 the dead if I can listen to this podcast 908 00:44:05,390 --> 00:43:59,700 anyone can do it just go to maximum fun 909 00:44:06,740 --> 00:44:05,400 org owner Russ and carries just a 910 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:06,750 podcast it doesn't do anything it's just 911 00:44:12,500 --> 00:44:08,130 sound you listen to your ears all these 912 00:44:19,300 --> 00:44:13,900 [Music] 913 00:44:21,300 --> 00:44:19,310 and now a reading from the book of Tim 914 00:44:31,330 --> 00:44:21,310 [Music] 915 00:44:33,310 --> 00:44:31,340 with Tim Mendham hi my name is Tim 916 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:33,320 Mendham I'm the editor of Australian 917 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:34,970 skeptics Journal the skeptic and 918 00:44:39,550 --> 00:44:37,010 executive officer for Australian 919 00:44:41,590 --> 00:44:39,560 skeptics Inc and today I'll be talking 920 00:44:46,810 --> 00:44:41,600 about an article from the skeptic from 921 00:44:48,940 --> 00:44:46,820 September 2016 which is vol 36 number 3 922 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:48,950 and it comes from the section that we 923 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:51,770 call what goes around where a story 924 00:44:55,540 --> 00:44:53,570 starts off in one place and goes all the 925 00:44:58,810 --> 00:44:55,550 way around and ends up where a start off 926 00:45:00,880 --> 00:44:58,820 on this one is about monsters mysteries 927 00:45:05,410 --> 00:45:00,890 and medicos 928 00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:08,660 The Strange Case of dr. Jekyll and mr. 929 00:45:14,569 --> 00:45:11,250 Hyde is a novella first published in 930 00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:14,579 1886 by the Scottish author Robert Louis 931 00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:17,760 Stevenson it's about a London lawyer 932 00:45:22,339 --> 00:45:20,250 named Gabriel John Utterson who 933 00:45:25,370 --> 00:45:22,349 investigates strange occurrences between 934 00:45:29,299 --> 00:45:25,380 his old friend dr. Henry Jekyll and his 935 00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:29,309 evil alter ego Edward Hyde the title has 936 00:45:33,609 --> 00:45:31,040 become a well used phrase for someone's 937 00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:33,619 dramatically changed personalities 938 00:45:38,210 --> 00:45:35,760 Stevenson had long been intrigued by the 939 00:45:40,339 --> 00:45:38,220 idea of how personalities can affect a 940 00:45:42,190 --> 00:45:40,349 human and how to incorporate the 941 00:45:44,930 --> 00:45:42,200 interplay of good and evil into a story 942 00:45:48,099 --> 00:45:44,940 while still a teenager he had developed 943 00:45:51,859 --> 00:45:48,109 a script for a play about Deakin Brody 944 00:45:54,589 --> 00:45:51,869 now William Deakin Brody was a Scottish 945 00:45:57,319 --> 00:45:54,599 cabinet maker deacon of a trades gilt in 946 00:46:00,349 --> 00:45:57,329 Edinburgh city councillor who maintained 947 00:46:02,329 --> 00:46:00,359 a secret life as a burglar partly for 948 00:46:05,870 --> 00:46:02,339 the thrill and partly to fund his 949 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:05,880 gambling Brody used his daytime job as a 950 00:46:09,980 --> 00:46:07,770 way to gain knowledge about the security 951 00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:09,990 mechanisms of his clients and to 952 00:46:16,329 --> 00:46:12,960 duplicate keys using wax impressions he 953 00:46:18,859 --> 00:46:16,339 was caught tried and hanged in 1788 954 00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:18,869 popular myth held that he had built the 955 00:46:23,210 --> 00:46:20,609 first gallows in Edinburgh and was also 956 00:46:25,789 --> 00:46:23,220 its first victim William ruff head in 957 00:46:28,220 --> 00:46:25,799 classics crime says that after research 958 00:46:30,620 --> 00:46:28,230 he was sure that although the Deakin may 959 00:46:32,780 --> 00:46:30,630 have had some hand in the design it was 960 00:46:34,910 --> 00:46:32,790 certainly not of his construction nor 961 00:46:38,510 --> 00:46:34,920 was he the first to benefit by its 962 00:46:40,849 --> 00:46:38,520 ingenuity now William ruff head which is 963 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:40,859 actually pronounced a rock head was a 964 00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:42,930 well-known Scottish lawyer and amateur 965 00:46:49,220 --> 00:46:45,359 criminologist as well as an editor and 966 00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:49,230 essayist on matters criminis for almost 967 00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:49,920 60 years 968 00:46:53,359 --> 00:46:51,359 he attended most of the noteworthy 969 00:46:54,049 --> 00:46:53,369 murder trials at the High Court of 970 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:54,059 Justiciary 971 00:46:58,720 --> 00:46:56,490 in Scotland he was an important early 972 00:47:01,760 --> 00:46:58,730 practitioner of the modern true-crime 973 00:47:04,130 --> 00:47:01,770 literary genre perhaps rockheads 974 00:47:06,859 --> 00:47:04,140 greatest achievement was his analysis of 975 00:47:09,799 --> 00:47:06,869 Oscar Slater's trial for the murder of 976 00:47:13,130 --> 00:47:09,809 the Glasgow spinster Marion Gilchrist in 977 00:47:13,780 --> 00:47:13,140 1908 rock he'd assisted Arthur Conan 978 00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:13,790 Doyle 979 00:47:18,270 --> 00:47:15,760 Craigie Acheson and 980 00:47:20,609 --> 00:47:18,280 in park for nearly 20 years exposing 981 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:20,619 weaknesses in the Crown's case and was 982 00:47:28,260 --> 00:47:24,450 cited as a witness in the 1928 appeal 983 00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:28,270 Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Doyle was a 984 00:47:32,599 --> 00:47:30,609 British writer and physician who studied 985 00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:32,609 medicine at the University of Edinburgh 986 00:47:37,530 --> 00:47:35,170 he popularized the mystery of the Mary 987 00:47:40,020 --> 00:47:37,540 Celeste and showed a great interest in 988 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:40,030 belief in spiritualism psychic powers 989 00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:42,850 and of course the Cottingley fairies he 990 00:47:47,130 --> 00:47:45,040 was a prolific writer whose works range 991 00:47:50,609 --> 00:47:47,140 across fantasy and science fictional 992 00:47:52,980 --> 00:47:50,619 stories plays romances poetry nonfiction 993 00:47:56,370 --> 00:47:52,990 and historical novels including his 994 00:47:58,109 --> 00:47:56,380 preferred work the white company but of 995 00:48:00,090 --> 00:47:58,119 course he's most noted for creating the 996 00:48:02,670 --> 00:48:00,100 fictional detective Sherlock Holmes a 997 00:48:05,820 --> 00:48:02,680 character that featured in 56 short 998 00:48:07,650 --> 00:48:05,830 stories and four novels Holmes was 999 00:48:11,460 --> 00:48:07,660 partially modelled on Doyle's former 1000 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:11,470 University teacher dr. Josef Bill Doyle 1001 00:48:17,940 --> 00:48:14,650 met Belle in 1877 and served as his 1002 00:48:19,890 --> 00:48:17,950 clerk at the Edinburgh infirmary bill 1003 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:19,900 was personal surgeon to Queen Victoria 1004 00:48:24,210 --> 00:48:21,850 during her visits to Scotland 1005 00:48:27,170 --> 00:48:24,220 Doyle admitted that Holmes was loosely 1006 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:27,180 based on Bill and his observant ways 1007 00:48:31,220 --> 00:48:29,770 bill was aware of this inspiration and 1008 00:48:33,570 --> 00:48:31,230 took some pride in it 1009 00:48:35,900 --> 00:48:33,580 according to Irving Wallace in an essay 1010 00:48:38,430 --> 00:48:35,910 from his book the fabulous originals 1011 00:48:40,890 --> 00:48:38,440 bill was involved in several police 1012 00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:40,900 investigations such as the odd Lamont 1013 00:48:45,810 --> 00:48:44,050 mystery of 1893 he also gave his 1014 00:48:50,099 --> 00:48:45,820 analysis of the Jack the Ripper murders 1015 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:50,109 to Scotland Yard the link between Holmes 1016 00:48:54,300 --> 00:48:51,850 and Bill was obvious to another writer 1017 00:48:57,210 --> 00:48:54,310 who write to Doyle from his Island home 1018 00:48:59,520 --> 00:48:57,220 I hope you will allow me to offer you my 1019 00:49:01,440 --> 00:48:59,530 compliments on your very ingenious and 1020 00:49:04,530 --> 00:49:01,450 very interesting Adventures of Sherlock 1021 00:49:07,770 --> 00:49:04,540 Holmes only the one thing troubles me 1022 00:49:09,300 --> 00:49:07,780 can this be my old friend Joe Bell in 1023 00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:09,310 the local island tongue the 1024 00:49:14,430 --> 00:49:11,170 correspondent was called to sitala 1025 00:49:16,430 --> 00:49:14,440 teller of tales he was also composer of 1026 00:49:20,730 --> 00:49:16,440 more than 100 musical pieces 1027 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:20,740 Doyle planned to extend a September 1894 1028 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:22,810 tour of America to meet up with the 1029 00:49:28,170 --> 00:49:24,970 correspondence but the latter died in 1030 00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:28,180 December 40 Island Chiefs carried his 1031 00:49:32,290 --> 00:49:29,210 body to a 1032 00:49:34,540 --> 00:49:32,300 resting place on map via Samoa the 1033 00:49:36,610 --> 00:49:34,550 correspondent was of course Robert Louis 1034 00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:36,620 Stevenson author of The Strange Case of 1035 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:44,210 dr. Jekyll and mr. Hyde that was what 1036 00:49:50,590 --> 00:49:46,610 goes around from the skeptic September 1037 00:49:54,550 --> 00:49:50,600 2016 and you can download all the issues 1038 00:49:55,300 --> 00:49:54,560 of the skeptic dating back to 1981 from 1039 00:49:58,720 --> 00:49:55,310 our website 1040 00:50:07,540 --> 00:49:58,730 skeptics comm dot a you for free 1041 00:50:07,550 --> 00:50:19,809 [Music] 1042 00:50:23,809 --> 00:50:22,220 thank you for listening to the skeptic 1043 00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:23,819 zone and thank you to Michele Franklin 1044 00:50:29,870 --> 00:50:25,890 Rochelle because my dr. Cassandra 1045 00:50:32,569 --> 00:50:29,880 Perryman and Tim Mendham for helping 1046 00:50:35,359 --> 00:50:32,579 make this week's show so interesting and 1047 00:50:38,539 --> 00:50:35,369 thank you to my friend Ciara Joan who 1048 00:50:41,269 --> 00:50:38,549 played the part of the cabin attendant 1049 00:50:43,819 --> 00:50:41,279 in the little typewriter sketch earlier 1050 00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:43,829 on coming up on next week's show more 1051 00:50:49,279 --> 00:50:45,599 logical fallacies from Michelle Vickers 1052 00:50:52,099 --> 00:50:49,289 MA and hopefully possibly I think we'll 1053 00:50:53,870 --> 00:50:52,109 do another think tank we'll get a 1054 00:50:56,809 --> 00:50:53,880 selection of reporters and maybe a 1055 00:51:00,680 --> 00:50:56,819 special guest or two and talk about 1056 00:51:02,839 --> 00:51:00,690 skeptical issues of the day whatever 1057 00:51:04,910 --> 00:51:02,849 happened to the UFOs and the Bigfoots 1058 00:51:06,859 --> 00:51:04,920 that's what I want to know thank you to 1059 00:51:09,470 --> 00:51:06,869 those people who continue to support the 1060 00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:09,480 skeptics owned by your kind weekly 1061 00:51:16,099 --> 00:51:11,970 contributions or monthly if its patreon 1062 00:51:19,130 --> 00:51:16,109 sort of at skeptic zone dot TV just go 1063 00:51:22,940 --> 00:51:19,140 there and click on the link for patreon 1064 00:51:26,089 --> 00:51:22,950 or PayPal and as I always say in as you 1065 00:51:27,950 --> 00:51:26,099 know full well it's only due to your 1066 00:51:32,059 --> 00:51:27,960 kind contributions that the show keeps 1067 00:51:32,569 --> 00:51:32,069 going so yes thank you very much but for 1068 00:51:34,789 --> 00:51:32,579 this week 1069 00:51:41,809 --> 00:51:34,799 this is Richard Saunders signing off 1070 00:51:43,849 --> 00:51:41,819 from Sydney Australia you've been 1071 00:51:50,779 --> 00:51:43,859 listening to the skeptic zone podcast 1072 00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:50,789 please visit our website at wwlp.com tax 1073 00:51:57,289 --> 00:51:53,249 and to access the back catalog of 1074 00:51:58,999 --> 00:51:57,299 episodes going back to 2008 you can 1075 00:52:02,059 --> 00:51:59,009 follow the skeptic zone podcast on 1076 00:52:04,339 --> 00:52:02,069 twitter at skeptic zone visit our 1077 00:52:05,229 --> 00:52:04,349 facebook page or leave a review on 1078 00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:05,239 itunes 1079 00:52:11,299 --> 00:52:07,920 you can also support the skeptic zone 1080 00:52:14,690 --> 00:52:11,309 via patreon or PayPal the skeptic zone 1081 00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:14,700 podcast is an independent production the 1082 00:52:18,559 --> 00:52:16,410 views and opinions expressed on the 1083 00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:18,569 skeptic zone are not necessarily those 1084 00:52:26,130 --> 00:52:20,880 of Australian skeptics or any other 1085 00:52:26,140 --> 00:52:34,520 you 1086 00:52:40,370 --> 00:52:37,700 a loads of the afterthoughts for people 1087 00:52:42,860 --> 00:52:40,380 who listen after the music ends to play 1088 00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:42,870 the dice game if you haven't heard this 1089 00:52:47,240 --> 00:52:44,850 section of the show before if you're new 1090 00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:47,250 or I don't know what we fall asleep 1091 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:48,690 during the show a lot of people fall us 1092 00:52:54,110 --> 00:52:51,330 make up the show's over wake up and play 1093 00:52:55,700 --> 00:52:54,120 the dice game and we've got a d-10 that 1094 00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:55,710 inside to die here I'm gonna roll it 1095 00:53:03,620 --> 00:52:59,280 three times and you can use your magic 1096 00:53:07,070 --> 00:53:03,630 ability to see if you can guess or 1097 00:53:12,860 --> 00:53:07,080 predict what numbers will come up on the 1098 00:53:16,190 --> 00:53:12,870 die so here we go this is the susan 1099 00:53:18,530 --> 00:53:16,200 gerbic dice here they're all fives it's 1100 00:53:21,230 --> 00:53:18,540 going to come up five now no it's not 1101 00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:21,240 Susan always picks five okay Susan and 1102 00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:23,250 everybody here we go rolling the first 1103 00:53:32,780 --> 00:53:26,130 one of three rolls giving it a good 1104 00:53:36,350 --> 00:53:32,790 shake and why aren't I filming this why 1105 00:53:37,340 --> 00:53:36,360 aren't I filming this Susan it's 5 good 1106 00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:37,350 grief 1107 00:53:41,570 --> 00:53:39,690 I knew that people don't believe me they 1108 00:53:42,980 --> 00:53:41,580 say I just make up funny numbers to you 1109 00:53:46,900 --> 00:53:42,990 know suit the occasion or whatever I 1110 00:53:49,970 --> 00:53:46,910 don't okay 1111 00:53:55,610 --> 00:53:49,980 second roll coming up side - 5 second 1112 00:53:58,970 --> 00:53:55,620 roll 10 you see well that's 2 times 5 I 1113 00:54:07,940 --> 00:53:58,980 suppose just make a note of that last 1114 00:54:13,700 --> 00:54:07,950 one here we go final number is 1 so this 1115 00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:13,710 week's winning numbers 5 10 and 1 and if 1116 00:54:21,380 --> 00:54:17,970 you had 5 10 and 1 your prizes you get